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[idm] re: good d&b recommendation

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2001-07-11 14:09dan robitaille [idm] re: good d&b recommendation
└─ 2001-07-12 08:05Irene McC Re: [idm] re: good d&b recommendation
2001-07-11 19:44jon anderson [idm] re: good d&b recommendation
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2001-07-11 14:09dan robitailleDude, you had a really good post until you started talked about when terms changed and why
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Dude, you had a really good post until you started talked about when terms changed and why this happened. here is a quick breakdown in the evolution: breakbeat into jungle into drum n bass into... hopefully 2 step gayrage wont be the conclusion here. I guess after drum n bass had rather fully evolved from "jungle" (stereotypically noted by the overt use of ragga samples), there was alot of splintering and redefining of the genre of dnb. this was an evolution of the music, sparked sometimes by one group creating new sound or a new piece of technology which inabled new sounds to be created. "racism" and the fear of not PC enough for MTV/VH-1 had absolutely nothing to do with the evolution of the music, the styles, the fusion or the title given to the genre. now, as for aphex twin's audio lightbulb album being the best dnb (on the idm tip), this is a good notion, although squarepusher's feed me weird things definately overpowers it by some measure. Please also check out T-power's Waveforms album, which certainly has tunes which could not be considered overly repetitive, boring or played out. Dan Robitaille SA - STL -------original message---------- From: jon anderson <pyrrhonist2@yahoo.com> Cc: djohn1@home.com Subject: a "good d&b" recommendation you say that the "jungle" you've checked out is too repetitive? "jungle" is what they called d&b until i think 1994, when someone said that it was a racist term. so i guess you're referring to the older styles, like the sort of hardcore rave sounding stuff or stuff with raga elements and the speeded up vocals and stuff... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-07-12 08:05Irene McCOn 11 Jul 2001, at 9:09, dan robitaille wrote: > Please also check out T-power's Waveforms
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On 11 Jul 2001, at 9:09, dan robitaille wrote:
quoted 3 lines Please also check out T-power's Waveforms album, which certainly> Please also check out T-power's Waveforms album, which certainly > has tunes which could not be considered overly repetitive, boring > or played out.
Interesting to bring up this one! Personally I love Waveforms, although Marc Royal himself has denigrated it more recently and wants to forget ever having made it (pity - I do prefer it to his more current output). Although this recommendation appeared under the thread headed "good D&B recommendation", I wouldn't place it into the D&B box - it seems somehow more 'head-y' than most D&B and from there onwards T. Power veered more into the 'jungle' direction (check his Botchit and Scarper output and SOUR work). I * --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-07-11 19:44jon anderson>Dude, you had a really good post until you started >talked >about when terms changed and
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Wed, 11 Jul 2001 12:44:10 -0700 (PDT)
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quoted 7 lines Dude, you had a really good post until you started>Dude, you had a really good post until you started >talked >about when terms changed and why this >happened. >here is a quick breakdown in the evolution: >breakbeat into jungle into drum n bass into... >hopefully 2 >step gayrage wont be the conclusion here.
ok, my bag about the racism thing... it's just a rumour i remembered hearing at the time. it made sense to me, because it seemed like overnight the term "jungle" totally disappeared, like it was a media decision. anyway, i too hope desperately that 2step is not the conclusion.
quoted 1 line now, as for aphex twin's audio lightbulb album >being>now, as for aphex twin's audio lightbulb album >being
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quoted 5 lines best dnb (on the idm tip), this is a good notion,>best dnb (on the idm tip), this is a good notion, >although >squarepusher's feed me weird things definately >overpowers >it by some measure.
well, i don't know. i guess we'll have to just say it's a matter of opinion. there's definately a couple of jams on there, but it doesn't have the depth of HAB, in my view. for one thing, although he may do it well, he borrows really heavily from aphex--enough so that it often sounds annoyingly derivative. like "theme from ernest" is the most egregious example i can think of offhand. i just have to give afx the props for inventing that style with HAB in the first place--there was nothing like it at the time. all those rickiety ratchity details and wierd ass noises mixed with d&b-like rythms... i can still remember where i was standing the first time i heard it... (and bought 2 copies) funny, when the squarepusher stuff was released, especially because of HAB, alot of people (myself included) were convinced it was a secret aphex alias.
quoted 2 lines Please also check out >T-power's>Please also check out >T-power's >Waveforms album, which certainly has tunes >which
could not be considered overly repetitive, boring or played out. ya, that's a pretty wierd album, so bleepy and electronic, without using the typical samples... like that *SNARE* that everybody seems compelled to use (didn't squarepusher use it on his latest release?). i like track 12 (refraction)--that synth riff is so simple but really nice. i have to say though, i think the "abstract soundscape" stuff on that album is positively awful. and the cover-art is... yikes. overall i really don't like T Power (sounds cheesy to me), with the exception of that track, and the overplayed yet classic "mutant jazz" (although listening to it now, i think it sounds dated). __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org